I agree with anyone who wants to do research on a company they
represent. It is YOUR reputation on the line. It is an uncomfortable
feeling to be sharing something you love, only to have someone pull
out a question that you aren't really prepared for.
During this time money is VERY tight for many people. And, lets face
it, these oils do come with a high price tag. There is the 'buyers
remorse' affect that happens when we spend money on an item we aren't
100% sure on. Some people could refer this to the Opportunity Cost-
choosing to purchase oils compared to buying...groceries, gas, or some
other item. In general, we want to make sure we are spending our money
wisely.
I had my apprehension when I started this last summer. I did some
digging. I found some positive things about doTERRA. But, what sold me
on this, other then the fact that smelling and trying the oils put a
spark in me, was the person who brought the oils to me. She was the
reason why I took the leap of faith. Her approach to the oils, the
company, etc.
Your questions are valid. Do not apologize for asking them. I
personally haven't liked some of the responses people have given to
these questions (your not the first to ask them, I have seen them here
before). We do have a right to valid answers. Most of us where not
there at the beginning when all this stuff was more open to the IPCs,
most of us don't live in UT, so we can't walk into the office and ask
to speak to someone about our concerns. So, we rely on these public
forums to contact those who have been with doTERRA for a long time. We
need open, honest answers.
With some of your questions you have on testing, here is what I have
learned. Yes, a lot of oil companies do the GC/MS testing. That one is
what I consider, the basic test. It is all the testing that is done
after. checking for Metals, mold, etc. Testing color, texture, scent
quality...(I had all the tests written down in a notebook...which was
recently stolen from my car...so sorry, I had all the info...errrg).
Another thing, it is my understanding that doTERRA tests each and
every batch. This includes, testing from the same source, even if
tests from the source have been given the CPTG stamp of approval
before. This is where I understand where YL has failed. They don't
test each and every time from an established oil source. I have no
confirmed proof on this, but it was something I was told by someone in
my upline.
The BALANCE, video. I have heard a couple different stories on this
video now. Both say what was used was Balance. I heard from one source
it was Dr Hills blood??? It would be interesting to know more about
this particular video. OR maybe someone can find a lab and recreate
the test on their own????
Here is my thoughts on the trademarks -CPTG or the YL trade mark. As
we all know, the EO industry has no governing authority to regulate
it. Anyone can claim to be pure, natural, organic...etc. CPTG and any
other purity certification, is a companies personal guarantee of what
they will do to keep their product at what they deem as 'pure'.
doTERRA's CPTG means you will have oils that have been tested EACH and
EVERY time. They source the oils from the locations where you will get
an oil that is potent. They will stand by their product. They will
make sure that the oil they put out to those of us who are seeking
natural remedies will do what it is intended to do. They will make
sure that the plants are sustained and the harvesting is done in a
manner that is not detrimental to the plants. doTERRA is trying to set
a new standard of quality in the therapeutic EO world. And other
companies don't like it. Because, it is not cheap to do. It is
expensive to source the right plants, make sure they stay pure from
ground to distiller, make sure the distillers are working to produce
the oil in the manner that will not be toxic or create an improper
oil, and to test and test and test again.
Kris, all you or any of us can do, is be honest about what we know. Be
honest about why we are using the oils and our experiences. When we
teach a class and share the oils be confident in how you feel about
the oils. when the questions come up about the company, be honest
about what you know. Most of the negative questions that come up are
because people are generally put off by MLMs. A lot of MLMs are
sketchy. Maybe share why you decided to be apart of this company,
which uses the MLM structure to get their products to those who want
and need it.
You will be so amazingly wonderful in your upcoming class. Speak from
your heart. Be true about what you know and what you currently don't
know. Offer to find answers for someone and get back to them. And
realize, that there maybe some questions that will not have an exact
answer.
Best wishes and oil fairy hugs
Tami
On Mar 15, 12:15 am, Kris <krazykr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I got a lot of really good answers. Thanks to all of you who have
> responded. I just want to clarify, I am not being misled. I believe in
> and am very passionate about DoTERRA. I just signed up as an IPC. The
> reason I bring the issues forward (I'm not very familiar with this
> forum sorry it is a repeated subject, I didn't know) is because I am
> traveling a good way to do a class in the near future. I discovered
> one of the invitees has tried DoTERRA but thinks there are purer and
> cheaper oils out there. She thinks DoTERRA is not a good company and
> actually compared it to Amway. I was actually a bit ticked off at her.
> I responded nicely, don't worry. :)
>
> I am trying to gather information so that in the future if someone
> asks me these kinds of questions I can answer them rationally,
> logically, civilly, and accurately. I got some valuable answers so
> thank you. However, I do think it is our business who tests DoTERRA's
> oils because if I'm going to put them into my body or the body of my
> kids I want to know that the companies testing our oils are not
> ashamed to identify themselves. I don't think it's necessary to get
> credentials of all employees of the labs, I think that's a bit
> overkill but I don't see why we need to hide their identities. This
> 'secrecy' is a bit concerning to me. For a company that is about
> integrity (which I know DoTERRA is) and openness and honesty (they
> have been so honest about how they create their oils and everything
> which has bee great) why hide their testers? Maybe there's a
> legitimate reason, a legal one, or something. I don't know. That's why
> I'm asking.
>
> Forgive me but I am still unclear with a few of the initial points I
> brought to the table. If this subject upsets you then don't feel you
> have to address it. I'm not trying to upset any fellow DoTERRA
> people. :) I really do want answers because I want to feel as prepared
> as possible to speak confidently about DoTERRA when others try to tear
> it down. I know people will believe what they will believe but if they
> speak up in a group of undecided people they can do damage to them by
> convincing them through faulty and misleading logic to never try
> DoTERRA. That would be a shame because I want to share DoTERRA with my
> friends and help them to see through the inaccuracies and feel
> confident that DoTERRA truly is as awesome as it says it is. :) So:
>
> 3. I saw a disturbing accusation that is actually believable. It is
> said that the video of the blood sample involving the Balance Blend is
> nothing more than a digitized copy of the blood sample analysis done
> by Young Living with their Valor blend.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmI4HE0NIhE - about 1 min and 54
> secs in
> vs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72gyabv1WmM
> I have to say they do look eerily similar. So if DoTERRA is more pure
> than YL then why do these videos look the same?
>
> 4. I thought DoTERRA was the only company that did both Gas
> Chromatograph and Mass Spectrometer testing. But according to Young
> Living they also use BOTH of those forms of testing. But if they have
> the toxic Boswelic acid from the resin of Frankincense in their oils,
> wouldn't that show up and then cause the impure oil to be discarded?
> If they do the same testing that we do on every batch as they say they
> do, then why would their oils smell different? Would they actually be
> so bold as to lie on their website about that? Wouldn't that be
> misadvertising? There's a disconnect here.... thoughts?http://www.youngliving.com/en_US/company/therapeutic-grade.html
>
> In fact this DoTERRA page seems to say a lot of the same kinds of
> things as the above Young Living page.http://www.doterra.myvoffice.com/126467/essentialGrades.html
>
> 6. Doterra has the CPTG trademark. Well Young Living has the YLTG
> (Young Living Therapeutic Grade) Trademark. They justify this
> trademark by it's qualifying four P's. It seems that they do the same
> kind of testing procedures on their oils as DoTERRA for every batch.
> So why do they smell different than DoTERRA's oils?
>
> Thank you all for your time and your input. I really appreciate it!
> Kris
>
> On Mar 14, 7:27 pm, Charly Risenmay <doterrasananto...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Great answer!
>
> > On Mar 14, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Janyce <janleba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'm not at all knowledgeable about YL but since using and becoming
> > > very involved in my doTerra business a year ago, I have met many
> > > people who have or do use YL E.O.s. First, it occurred to me that
> > > since Dr. Hill was very instrumental, for many, many years, in
> > > creating blends for YL, it made sense to me that he created doTerra's
> > > blends similarly.
>
> > > I believe that years ago, YL was a reputable company with a top-of-the-
> > > industry essential oil. However, it is my understanding that in
> > > recent years, YL's oils became impure and that people were getting
> > > sick from them. I personally have met several people who have
> > > complained of getting rashes from YL oils. Also, a health food store
> > > that was carrying YL oils and took them out because people were
> > > getting sick from them.
>
> > > I have also meet several people who have told me that YL and it's
> > > owner are operating in a "cult" like manner. I even met a lady who
> > > said, "I don't care what YL's oils are doing to people, I don't care
> > > that doTerra's oils are CPTG, Gary Young was a pioneer in this field
> > > and I will never desert him!"
>
> > > I have also meet YL users who only use the oils in their "healing/
> > > spiritual practice but they do not use them for themselves or their
> > > family members. Or they use them for massage therapy and that is it.
> > > Why?!?! I don't get that at all...
>
> > > There are many essential oil companies out there that claim to be 100%
> > > therapeutic grade. So? There is no regulatory governing body to
> > > answer to. They can say whatever they want! However, doTerra has
> > > gone above that standard and created the certified pure grade of
> > > E.O.s. YL people are usually surprised that our oils are safe to be
> > > taken internally. Theirs are not but I have met people who use them
> > > internally.
>
> > > I have also heard that YL only does random testing whereas doTerra
> > > tests every batch. I understand that a company needs to have certain
> > > information remain proprietary - and I am not so desperate to know the
> > > names of the labs. I know they are in Utah. And I also know that the
> > > farmers don't get paid until the batch is CPTG. That is HUGE! The
> > > purity proof is in the product, the smell and the results, and that is
> > > good enough for me.
>
> > > A couple weeks ago, I had an opportunity to meet with a lady who had a
> > > large supply of YL oils. She wanted to compare them to doTerra and I
> > > was, of course, happy to participate in the smell testing with her.
> > > It was interesting that every oil I smelled had the same underlying
> > > chemical type smell to it. Every one! You could kind of smell what
> > > resembled essential oil, but most prominent was this ... other
> > > component that was something I was not familiar with. Not a perfume,
> > > so maybe a synthetic.... but it was in every oil. Some of them even
> > > smelled kind of rancid.
>
> > > Also interesting was that none of the YL oils list the ingredients on
> > > the bottles! But, every one of doTerra's oils list the ingredients.
> > > I have, recently, had several people ask me for a printout of the
> > > ingredients in a blend. I tell them, the bottle will give you all the
> > > ingredients. They say, they will?!?!? oh, that's awesome!
>
> > > Personally, I have a very strong "trust" in the doTerra corporate
> > > team. I have met many of them and have found them to be people of
> > > integrity. They have a very strong passion for what they are doing
> > > and they are compassionate and genuinely concerned about people, and
> > > to me, very pure hearted people. Which is why they started this
> > > company in the first place.
>
> > > I feel that, 1) if you don't have the same passion that the doTerra
> > > owners have, then you should move on...go to YL. See what happens.
> > > 2) If you have the same passion that the doTerra owners have, then
> > > don't be swayed by people who are trying to stir the pot - and tell
> > > stories about doTerra. For example, when I first started with
> > > doTerra, a friend emailed me a document that she found on her friend's
> > > Facebook that was stating that doTerra's Frankincense didn't contain
> > > Boswella. I was concerned about this negative publicity and forwarded
> > > the document to the proper channels. Then, we learned that
> > > Frankincense is not supposed to contain Boswella and is actually toxic
> > > to do so. However, it is in the LLV, which is proper for that
> > > product.
>
> > > I have a team mate who says, if you meet a YL person, the way to get
> > > them to try doTerra: you say, oh you like YL? Then you will LOVE
> > > doTerra - at the same time putting a bottle of oil under their nose.
> > > Or just say to them, just humor me and smell this. They are surprised
> > > every time! The proof is in the smell. I have had YL users tell me,
> > > "oh wow! I have to have these oils."
>
> > > If I meet people who are resistant to doTerra, I just move on to the
> > > next person. There are SO many people out there who do not know
> > > anything about E.O.s and that there is something pure that will heal
> > > them without synthetic medicine. Those are the people we need to
> > > focus on. We are the healers, the teachers, we want to educate people
> > > about the existence of this product. We don't want to use our energy
> > > debating with people who do not share this passion.
>
> > > What I have found is that YL users who are not open to hearing about
> > > doTerra and say these negative things, are either loyal
>
> ...
>
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