This is a great discussion and I appreciate you both keeping it professional and informative. We each have the opportunity to express our belief system and what you have both written will help the many people out there who are suffering unimaginable pain.
-- Thant you so much,
Pat
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On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Charly Risenmay <doterrasanantonio@gmail.com> wrote:
So this is a great discussion to have. I think its an important one. Let me reiterate a few things from my e-mail--my e-mail was a general response to some things that happen frequently on this list. First, there is a difference between "cure" and "symptom free". Symptom free is what most people consider healing--which is not a cure. Should people with genetic issues begin to stop what they are doing, the same symptomology would return. Regardless of any type of belief, you cannot change genetics. I was born with certain genes. Those genes aren't going to change. It doesn't matter what we believe, genes don't change. However, that doesn't mean that quality of life doesn't change or that people cannot become symptom free. But if you test my genetics, no matter how fabulous I feel, I'm still going to have brown eyes, brown hair, a little toe that turns in (just like my Moms), the breast cancer gene which does not mean you will or won't get cancer, a weird sneezing thing from my Dad, and the genetic markers for my disease. Second, I mentioned not making diagnosis and being careful. That is for liability reasons. We cannot do that. Period. We have been asked not to do that by doTERRA. Stating things the way that we have all done it in the past, is something we simply cannot do--whether we believe it or not. We can use phrases like "support", "enhance", or "works with your own..." Third, we don't do anyone a service by making blanket statements. Frankly, whether we are 100% natural and against modern medicine, 100% for modern medicine or somewhere in between, we are all wrong and "science" proves that to us with every conflicting study, "new" breakthrough, etc. It doesn't take much to look around at all the "proven" diets from the paleo, to the Atkins, to the raw foods, to whatever else there is to realize that. They can't all be "right." Which brings us to your main point--if I understand it right--that we must be masters of our own fate. We must each study, work through our own bodies with the knowledge we have, change our belief systems, etc. I agree. I agree with your assessment of body parts, nutrition, the mind, etc. I also agree that we don't take away help and hope. What is the point of all of this if we do? However, reality is that some people will heal, some people will not. Some people will be cancer free, some people will not. Some people will do everything that they possibly can, and they still won't be cured--even if they believe it, want it, live it with every breath. What we want to do is bring as much help and hope and healing from every walk of life--western and natural medicine both to bring the most to our lives that we possibly can. Just as we cannot dismiss the healing power of natural medicine, we cannot dismiss western medicine. There are times when it is necessary and important and inspired. Which brings me to my personal point.I state the following, not to attack, but to make a point. I hope you will forgive me for my poor wording. You have no idea what my belief system is. You have no idea what I have done to heal, what I do in my day to day life or what I know to be true for me. You do not know what my personal journey of health has been. And that is partially my general point as well. When blanket statements are made, they condemn those who have done all they could, believe all they can, have worked miracles in their own lives--but it is still not enough to be "cured." The healthiest person I know has a heart disease that cannot be cured. He literally was brought back to life by the interventions of medical personnel. He survived in miraculous fashion, because he was so healthy and had done all that anyone can do to take care of himself. However, in spite of all of that, he still had a heart disease. My journey has been hard and heartbreaking and life changing and empowering and ultimately, I am not "cured." But I am not where I was where I started. I used to think that I would give anything to be cured. I don't think that's true anymore. I have learned what I will and won't do. I have become who I am because of the journey. I am more powerful, I have more knowledge and understanding, I am stronger, more compassionate and giving, and I have more empathy. I have learned to be grateful for the blessings that come from all things--including health challenges. Those are things that are gifts from this disease. It no longer owns me. So it is with great empathy for others that I say, lets not make those blanket statements. Lets not dump it all on what you ate or believe or "if you just do this." Let's be careful in how we approach it by using words like "sometimes." Because while I sit loving on those close to me who will not make it to the other side of wellness with their particular disease, I know they believe right up to the end they will beat it. I simply can't add to that burden believing or telling them that if they were just "more" somehow, that they would be cured. I know that sometimes in life, it just doesn't happen. But we have more quality of life, and often we can become symptom free and life a life of beauty. That doesn't mean throwing in the towel. It doesn't mean accepting things as inevitable. It doesn't mean ignoring what we know can heal and give hope. It means we approach all of our communications with compassion and empathy. Many of the wonderfu people on this list don't have much knowledge. They are here to learn and grow. What we write is taken as "fact." I guess that's what I want to communicate the most: be careful so we can keep this list, make sure that we have sure knowledge for the statements we make, and have empathy in all of our communications.CharlyOn Apr 6, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Sharie Fox wrote:Given the placebo effect, giving people "false hope" is one of the best things we can do. That hope could save their lives. The oils will give them the joy and uplifting to support that in a gentle manner. Lemon is refreshing and smells so good that when they drink it that cannot help but feel more joyful and joy is needed to heal. A depressed or negative person is not likely to ever get well. Entire libraries have been written on the above subjects so take this as a very, very, basic and general approach and not as medical advice.No offense taken Charly but I've worked for an alternative holistic MD (degrees in medicine plus a bunch of other alternative ones) and I've seen things that greatly contradict your belief system. Yes, there are some very rare genetic things that don't apply and what I've stated are the basic needs. Very basic. I have seen twisted and lumpy arthritic hands turn normal within weeks of a person making changes as simply as removing dairy. I have seen people with diseases who are told they won't walk ever again, walk again. With the exceptions of some rare chromosomal issues or things out of our control (Chernobyl, pesticides from the farm next door, mercury from coal-fired power plants coming in on the jet streams to name a few), we are in control of our own health. The sooner we take back that power and realize it, the sooner we can get well. When we believe that it is not possible to heal, we cannot. I don't believe in the North American "illness" model. Parasites are at the root of many diseases and the acid foods keep the body in an environment where they thrive. I believe our oils will help to create a better environment and when we do things like the GX Assist and use Terrazyme (or other enzymes) the body has a chance to heal. We are what we eat and absorb. If we eat a diet not meant for human consumption we will get "disease". Dis-ease.Food allergies are simply caused by an over active immune system and toxins and cleansing and removing foods for a time that we are allergic too will give the body a break and allow it the strength to heal itself. We are self-healing machines. You know how a cut heals? The entire body works this way. We are not separate parts as the western medical model would have us believe. A doctor for this body part, another for that. It's absurd.
A constant daily intake of junk that stresses the immune system is why conditions become chronic instead of just healing. It really is a lot more simple than the medical world would have you believe. I don't always have time to get into details on this group. I often just post a few sentences so people can go and do their own research. I cannot give anyone specific advice, just a generalized idea that will help. If they choose to do something with it, great. If not, that's up to them but taking someone's hope away by saying it's not possible to get well is not doing anyone a favor Charly. Placebo works better than most drugs and hope alone can heal in many cases. Did you know that people given fake chemo lost their hair? That's how powerful the mind is. Unfortunately we are trained practically from birth to not use the power of our mind. We are conformed and trained to suit the needs of the system that is run on money. I prefer to rule my body and brain and I don't believe in disease. My body has healed things that normally require surgery or treatments if you would believe doctors. I don't bother going to them anymore. They are not part of my reality. If I had an accident I'd be happy to let them sew me up but I would want out of there ASAP.
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Charly Risenmay <doterrasanantonio@gmail.com> wrote:
Warning! Small rant! Proceed with caution. :) I respectfully disagree with this. I have mentioned this before on this site, so forgive me for saying it again. Or don't and kick me off. Rheumatoid arthritis may be made worse by an acid environment or food allergies, but it is not caused by that. I think it is important that we not use words "cure" and "caused" and others when referring to serious medical conditions--that puts us in the category of first, making a diagnosis and second, spreading information that may not be entirely accurate. I have an autoimmune disease that is genetic, which incidentally includes rheumatoid arthritis. No amount of oils will change what I have inherited. I can't turn my brown eyes blue. (Crystal Gale reference there--I'm old!) However, changes in diet, using the oils, etc has completely changed my health and how severely it manifests. We can very safely talk about aiding the body but when we begin to say things like this, we are not only often wrong, but can you imagine how it feels to be told that something as debilitating as RA and other autoimmune diseases can be, are caused by diet, acid and allergies? As if we have somehow screwed up and made this happen to ourselves? Or if we were somehow more perfect in how we eat, what we drink or expose ourselves to that we would be healed? There is a great difference between being cured and being symptom free. I am very careful and yet--I'm still sitting here with a disease that impacts me every single day. Eventually, if I'm lucky, I will outlive the disease and die of something else. There is no cure for many autoimmune diseases, as is probably true for many others. We are dismissed from the medical community over and over because there are no answers. Let's be careful about what we say and make sure that what we are saying is accurate and safe information. Sharie--I apologize for responding to your post particularly. It really is a general observation response to what I see.CharlyArthritis is pretty much always a condition caused by an acid environment in the body and unidentified food allergies. Drinking Lemon oil and detoxing is crucial and eliminating acid-forming foods like dairy, wheat and pork and sugar.
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Peggy Boese <aarppeg@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have a question about the best protocol for someone with rheumatoid arthritis...Any help would be appreciated! Thank you.--
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